Shorty vs Long Tube Headers for 5.7L Hemi

Let's cut the marketing fluff. If you are here, you’re likely dealing with the infamous "Hemi Tick."

It starts as a faint tapping on cold starts, and eventually, it sounds like a tractor. I see this every single week in the shop. The issue isn't just "bad luck"—it's physics. The factory exhaust manifolds are cast iron, while your cylinder heads are aluminum. They expand and contract at different rates. Eventually, the manifold warps, and snap—there go the rear studs on cylinders 7 and 8.

Broken exhaust manifold bolts 5.7 Hemi cylinder 7 and 8 Hemi tick cause

So, you have to rip the exhaust off anyway. The question is: Do you replace it with a Shorty Header or commit to a Long Tube setup?

This isn't just about sound. It's about torque curves, ECU tuning, and whether you want to pass inspection or set a quarter-mile time. I’ve been wrenching on Rams, Chargers, and Challengers for 15 years—here is the technical reality of what you need.

⚡ Bottom Line Up Front (BLUF)
  • Ram 1500 Owners (Daily/Towing): Go with Shorty Headers. You keep your low-end torque (crucial for getting a heavy truck moving), requires no tuning, and installation is manageable.
  • Charger/Challenger R/T (Performance): Go with Long Tube Headers. You gain significant top-end HP (+25-30whp), but you must tune the ECU and the installation is tight.
  • The Golden Rule: Never reuse factory manifold bolts. Use Grade 8 hardware and OEM Mopar MLS gaskets, or you'll be doing this job again in 6 months.

The Engineering: Why Stock Manifolds Fail

Before we talk upgrades, understand the failure point. The stock "log style" manifolds restrict exhaust velocity. It's like trying to exhale through a straw.

Aftermarket headers use Mandrel-bent stainless steel tubing. This offers two benefits:

  1. Thermal Consistency: Stainless steel dissipates heat differently than cast iron, reducing the stress on the mounting bolts.
  2. Scavenging: This is the key. By smoothing the flow, the exiting exhaust pulse creates a vacuum behind it, literally pulling the next pulse out of the cylinder. Better scavenging = more fresh air in = more combustion.

Shorty Headers: The "Fix It Right" Solution

Shorty vs Long Tube headers comparison 5.7 Hemi size difference

Shorties are direct bolt-on replacements. They end at the exact same flange location as your stock manifolds, meaning they bolt directly to your factory catalytic converters (mid-pipes).

Who is this for?

This is for the Ram 1500 owner or the daily-driver Charger. If you tow a boat or haul lumber, you care about torque from 1,500 to 3,000 RPM. Shorties preserve this low-end grunt. They won't make massive peak horsepower numbers (maybe +10-12 hp), but they fix the tick permanently and pass emissions in most states.

🔧 Case Study: The "eBay Special" Regret

"Back in 2019, a customer brought in some $150 unbranded headers. I warned him about the flange thickness, but he insisted on the install to save cash.

Three months later, he was back. The flanges were so thin (less than 1/4 inch) that the heat warped them like a banana, blowing out the gasket. We had to do the entire 6-hour labor job twice.

The Mechanic's Rule: I don't care what brand you buy, but you must ensure the flange is at least 3/8-inch thick and laser-cut. This is why I personally comfortably install Flashark’s stainless series—they meet that 3/8" thickness spec without the 'Kooks' or 'ARH' price tag. Don't pay for the logo, pay for the steel thickness."

Long Tube Headers: The Horsepower Commitment

Long tube headers extend much further down, usually eliminating the factory catalytic converters or pushing them further back. They optimize exhaust velocity for high-RPM power.

The Gains & The Trade-off

On a dyno, hige-flow 5.7 Hemi long tube headers really shine above 3,500 RPM. You are looking at +25 to +30 wheel horsepower with a proper tune. The sound is aggressive, deep, and raw.

However, because you are changing the exhaust velocity so drastically, you will lose a tiny bit of torque right off idle. For a lighter car (Challenger), this doesn't matter. For a heavy truck, you might feel it.

⚠️ CRITICAL WARNING: The 2015+ PCM Issue

If your Dodge or Ram is made in 2015 or later, stop and read this.

Long tube headers REQUIRE a custom ECU tune to turn off the rear O2 sensors and adjust fuel maps. However, Mopar encrypted the PCMs starting in 2015. You cannot just plug in a tuner.

You must buy an "Unlocked PCM" or send yours out to be unlocked. This costs an extra $200-$600 on top of the headers and the tuner device.

🔧 Technician's Log: The "Locked" Nightmare

"A young guy brought his 2016 Charger R/T to the shop last year. He had spent his whole budget on long tube headers and a basic handheld tuner. We got the headers installed—which is a bear of a job on the AWD models—and went to flash the tune.

Brick wall. The tuner wouldn't communicate with the encrypted ECU. The car was throwing codes, running rich, and stuck in limp mode. He had to leave the car on my lift for 5 days while we express-shipped his PCM to be unlocked. Don't be that guy. Budget for the unlock before you buy the pipes."

Installation Realities: What the Manual Doesn't Say

Whether you choose Shorty or Long Tube, here is the technical advice needed to ensure the job doesn't turn into a disaster.

1. The Dipstick & Steering Shaft

Dodge Ram 1500 header installation steering shaft clearance driver side

On the driver's side, space is non-existent. You will likely need to unbolt the steering shaft to slip the headers in. The oil dipstick tube is also in the way. Do not force it—it will snap. Unbolt it from the block.

I recall a customer who bought a set of 5.7 Hemi long tube headers specifically for his Ram, thinking it was a 2-hour job because the wheel wells look open. He ended up having to lift the engine slightly on the driver's side just to clear the steering knuckle. It fits, but you have to be patient.

2. The Starter Heat Soak (Long Tubes Only)

Long tube headers often route the piping dangerously close to the starter motor (especially on the passenger side). The radiant heat can cook the starter solenoid, leading to "hot start" issues where the car won't crank after driving.

Pro Tip: While you are in there, wrap your starter with a reflective heat shield or blanket. It’s a $30 insurance policy that saves you a tow truck later.

3. Gaskets & Hardware

Toss the paper gaskets that come in the box. I don't care who made them. Use OEM Mopar Multi-Layer Steel (MLS) gaskets (Part #5045495AA / #5045496AA). Also, verify your bolts. If your headers utilize the factory studs, great. If they use new bolts, ensure they are Grade 8 and use high-temp anti-seize.

👮 The "Smog Check" Reality Check

Before you click "Buy," check your state laws. This is the number one reason I see customers returning parts.

  • California & CARB States (NY, CO, etc.): You generally CANNOT install Long Tube Headers legally. They move the catalytic converters from the factory location, which is an automatic fail. You strictly need "Shorty" headers that have a stamped CARB EO Number (Executive Order).
  • The "Visual" Fail: Even if your car doesn't throw a Check Engine Light (because you tuned it out), a sharp smog technician will look underneath. If they see long tubes displacing the cats, you fail the visual inspection.
  • Federal/Other States: Shorty headers are usually 49-state legal because they retain factory converter locations.

Ask yourself: Do I want to swap my exhaust back to stock every year just to get a sticker? If not, Shorties are the safer bet.

Verdict: Making the Call

Feature Shorty Headers Long Tube Headers
Best Application Ram 1500 (Towing/Daily), States with Inspection Charger/Challenger (Track/Street), Max Sound
HP Gain +10-12 WHP +25-30 WHP (Requires Tune)
Torque Curve Preserves Low-End Shifts to Mid/High RPM
PCM Tuning? No (Plug & Play) YES (Unlock required for 2015+)
Installation Difficulty Hard (6/10) Advanced (9/10) - Needs O2 Extensions

The Sound Test: Drone, Rasp, and Roar

Let's be real. You aren't just buying headers for performance; you want your Hemi to sound like a beast. But there is a massive difference between "good loud" and "headache loud."

🎵 Shorty Headers Sound

  • Tone: Deep, refined, and crisp.
  • Volume: About 15-20% louder than stock.
  • Cabin Drone: Non-existent. You can still hold a conversation on the highway.
  • Verdict: Best for daily drivers who want to hear the engine only when they step on it.

🔥 Long Tube Headers Sound

  • Tone: Raw, choppy, and aggressive.
  • Volume: 40-50% louder (wake-the-dead loud).
  • Cabin Drone: Significant. Without high-quality resonators, you will feel the vibration at 2,000 RPM.
  • Verdict: For the "Look at Me" crowd and track builds.

Ready to Fix the Tick?

Whether you need Shorties for towing or Long Tubes for the track, Flashark’s 3/8" thick stainless flanges solve the warping issue for good.

*Both include required gaskets & hardware.

Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)

Q1: Will Shorty Headers make my 5.7 Hemi louder?

A1: Yes, but not "neighbor-hating" loud. It will be slightly deeper and crisper than the stock manifold sound. If you want a loud, choppy idle, you need Long Tubes and a cam.

Q2: Can I install headers on jack stands in my driveway?

A2: Shorty headers? Yes, if you are patient and have good tools. Long tube headers? I highly advise against it unless you get the car very high in the air (24"+). The angles required to slide long tubes in from the bottom are brutal without a lift.

Q3: Do I really need a tune for Long Tubes, or can I use O2 spacers?

A3: Do not use spacers. They are a band-aid. Long tubes change the airflow physics so much that your fuel trims will be off. Spacers might trick the CEL light for a week, but your engine will not run optimally. Get a proper tune.

Q4: Should I wrap my headers with titanium wrap?

A4: I generally don't recommend wrapping stainless headers for street cars because the wrap traps moisture and can accelerate corrosion over time (even on stainless). A high-temp Ceramic Coating is a much better option for heat management.

Q5: Will headers void my warranty?

A5: Technically, they can only void the warranty on parts affected by the modification (exhaust, emissions, and potentially engine if the dealer proves the headers caused a failure). Shorties are safer; Long tubes with a tune will almost certainly void your powertrain warranty because you are modifying the ECU.

Q6: Will installing headers affect my gas mileage (MPG)?

A6: Theoretically, headers improve efficiency, which could improve MPG. However, the reality is that because your exhaust sounds better and the throttle response is crisper, you will likely step on the gas pedal harder and more often. Expect a drop of 1-2 MPG simply due to "heavy foot syndrome."

Q7: Do I need O2 sensor extensions?

A7: For Shorty Headers, no. The sensor locations remain stock. For Long Tube Headers, absolutely yes. The front O2 sensors are moved further downstream, and the factory wiring harness won't reach. Most decent long tube kits include these extensions, but always double-check before tearing your car apart.

Q8: My Hemi has MDS (4-cylinder mode). How will it sound with headers?

A8: Honest truth? It sounds terrible. When the engine cuts to 4 cylinders to save fuel, the aggressive exhaust note turns into a weird, fluttering "helicopter" sound that drones badly in the cabin. If you install Long Tubes, I highly recommend disabling MDS via your tuner to keep the V8 sound constant.

Q9: Do I need to re-tighten the header bolts after installation?

A9: YES. This is critical. After the first 3-5 heat cycles (driving the car to operating temp and letting it cool down completely), the bolts will loosen as the gasket compresses. You must go back and re-torque them. If you skip this, you'll blow the gasket and be back to square one.

Q10: Can I mix and match 6.4L SRT headers with my 5.7L engine?

A10: Generally, no. While the bolt pattern is similar, the port shape on the cylinder head often differs (D-port vs. Square port) depending on the year. Misaligned ports disrupt airflow and cause turbulence. Stick to headers specifically designed for the 5.7L Eagle Hemi heads.

Q11: Should I delete the Catalytic Converters ("Catless") with Long Tubes?

A11: From a performance standpoint, "catless" flows the best. However, it comes with three downsides: 1) It is illegal for street use federally. 2) Your exhaust will smell like raw fuel (gasoline fumes), which can be annoying at stoplights. 3) The sound will be extremely raspy. High-flow cats are a better compromise for a street car.

Q12: How much should I expect to pay a shop for installation?

A12: Don't underestimate this labor. For a 4WD Ram or an AWD Charger, it is a tight squeeze. Expect a quote for 6 to 8 hours of labor. At current shop rates ($120-$150/hr), you are looking at $800 to $1,200 just for the install. This is why buying quality headers that fit right the first time (like Flashark) saves money in the long run.

Q13: Why do stainless headers turn blue/gold after driving?

A13: That is normal metallurgy. 304 Stainless Steel reacts to extreme heat by changing color (gold, purple, blue). It does not mean the material is failing; it's just a characteristic of the metal. If you want them to stay silver/black, you need to pay extra for a Ceramic Coating.

Q14: I snapped a bolt in the head while removing the old manifold. Now what?

A14: Welcome to the club. If there is a "nub" sticking out, you might get it with vice grips and heat. If it broke flush or deep inside the head, do not try to drill it freehand—you will ruin the cylinder head. You need a bolt extraction template/jig or, in worst-case scenarios, you'll have to pull the cylinder head off the engine.

Q15: What is the difference between "ceramic coated" and "polished" headers?

A15: Polished looks like chrome but offers no thermal benefits. Ceramic coating (usually silver or black) is a thermal barrier. It keeps the heat inside the pipe, which improves flow velocity and lowers under-hood temperatures. If you live in a hot climate or tow heavy loads, ceramic is worth the upgrade.

Q16: Will Shorty Headers work with my stock mid-pipes?

A16: Yes. A true "Shorty" header is designed to terminate at the exact factory flange location. You can unbolt your old manifold and bolt these in without cutting or welding your existing Y-pipe or catalytic converters. This is why they are the "DIY-friendly" option.
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